{"id":173,"date":"2023-11-17T09:23:00","date_gmt":"2023-11-17T07:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/?p=173"},"modified":"2024-02-22T09:24:12","modified_gmt":"2024-02-22T07:24:12","slug":"17-november-2023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/?p=173","title":{"rendered":"17 November 2023"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I had a surprising number of you readers reply to my Thoughts last week regarding that Ponzi scheme I wrote about, saying you know someone who was in it and lost all their money, or who were lucky enough to have withdrawn their funds in time. I just want to make a few additional comments regarding all this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The \u2018brokerage\u2019 was\u2026is\u2026. a Trust, with Trustees to make decisions and taking \u2018due care\u2019 &#8211; already a lower level of regulatory control than if it was a Company. It seems that Investors into this structure paid their money to the Trust\u2019s Bank account and not directly to the investment manager. My point here is never pay your money to the broker\u2019s \/ brokerage\u2019s bank account. If you are asked to pay your funds to the Brokerage\u2019s Bank account, that\u2019s a red flag.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you ask myself or Adrienne or Jacki to help you do an additional investment, we always either give you the banking details of Allan Gray or Marriott or our offshore investment managers etc, so that you can do the EFT directly to them, or we create those instructions whereby they withdraw the funds from your bank account. Money paid first to the brokerage\u2019s account has time to sit before they do the pay-away to the investment manager, and then, maybe it doesn\u2019t even get paid-away, or maybe it\u2019s not being paid away to an investment manager at all, but becoming part of an \u2018investment structure\u2019, that has different variables to it. All difficult to track. And that\u2019s what happened here\u2026.. someone had the ability to do things with the money coming in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week\u2019s Daily Maverick had an interest article on this scheme. Plus there are other big investment managers making comments as to if and how they had any dealings with one of the underlying investment managers that did seem to receive funds. I follow with interest.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I had a surprising number of you readers reply to my Thoughts last week regarding that Ponzi scheme I wrote about, saying you know someone who was in it and lost all their money, or who were lucky enough to have withdrawn their funds in time. I just want to make a few additional comments &#8230; <a title=\"17 November 2023\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/?p=173\" aria-label=\"Read more about 17 November 2023\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_seo_schema_type":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-173","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-weekly-thoughts"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/173","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=173"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/173\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":174,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/173\/revisions\/174"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=173"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=173"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kevinmurray.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=173"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}